All Conversations in My Heart
Friday, February 05, 2010
  Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus
http://frjeffreysteel.blogspot.com/2009/06/journey-home-to-catholic-church-i-have.html

The story of his conversion by an anglican priest. It is a good read. I was born and bred in England but lived in Canada for nearly twice the time I lived in England and a Canadian Citizen for almost all the time I have lived here, I think I can make a comment. Unfortunately what I think will be shaded by the ways I foresee liberal modernists habitually act. Of course there are some in the Church who think foolishly and will be scandalized by what I suggest. Oh well what has changed for those who will stoop to any lengths to manipulate any decision for their advantage, even though it is usually a theological wonky idea. There I go again riding my favorite hobby horse, equating personal opinions in hard heads with private revelations. 

Those of you who have read Cardinal Herbert Vaughan's biography will see at this moment, if you put yourself in the Cardinal's shoes, a great deal of similarity between the French catholic priest, Abbe Portal, who after sneering at English Catholics, claimed he could and would personally be able to convert the Anglicans. After all did not Lord Halifax say to him, recognize our priesthood and we will all convert. He took this to Rome triumphant in his ego. Well Lord Halifax could not or never could guarantee that as a fact. Neither could Newman or other converts from Anglicanism. How many Bishops or Priests if they come across this time will return to their Anglican roots. Return to their Anglican roots with enough Bishops to continue their newly received Apostolic Authority, thus authenticating the quick ordaining of women priests and bishops. Do not say it will not happen, because it will. Their is always someone perfidious, a fifth column hiding in the weeds. All the Lutherans want is the same as the Protestants and they have said it time and time again. "recognize our priesthood and we will recognize your Pope".

Look at the desperate measures the Anglicans have taken. They approached the Old Catholic Church for ordinations. It happened but fell by the wayside. Two claims they have made, one there was an Abbot in South Wales who ordained some of their priests. Another group told me there was a bishop or Abbot on an Island of northern England, who ordained some priests. What ever far fetched stories they claim they know they need a priesthood and are desperate for a sacrificial ministry. It is the Anglican Episcopal Church that states in their constitution the Eucharist is not the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ. This definition is still there. Let them publicly swear and admit to this error first. I mean each and every member of  the protestant churches and then see where that leads us.

Cardinal Herbert Vaughan formed a committee of four, two priests and two laymen, a woman and a man. They found historically that from Edward to Elizabeth there was no line of Apostolic Lineage and the Anglicans never denied this as a fact of History. 

Earlier on my blogs I published the chapter from Cardinal Vaughan, who after all said the righteousness of the Anglican Priesthood was for the English, Welsh and Scottish Catholics to determine by history and the Pope urged by Cardinal Merry de Val agreed.
http://mikehurcum.blogspot.com/2007/01/english-catholic-church-and-validity-of.html

I say let them go, unless they want to convert, individually. The giving to them a church of their own inside the Church will come back to bite us. It is a fool who cannot see that. I trust that Pope Benedict will find some way to safeguard our priesthood from the Janus heads that will infiltrate into the group that will come, hiding their personal agendas.

So you can further consider the problem. The Anglicans interested in coming into the light have signed off on the Catechism of JP2 as being all that is necessary to believe,  to be Catholic. They have also stated lately that the Catechism says nothing, has no opinion on their priesthood. This is the first roadblock in their refusal to be re ordained. If they are not ordained, please do not use the word re-ordain, that they are all priests already to say re-ordain will mean they are ordained already. Where are we going with this?

Perhaps you may wish to examine this quote from the Anglican english Church times.


In the Church Times (Issue 7663 – 29 January, 2010), an Anglican publication which is not connected with the Anglican hierarchy we find this.
“So our way of doing theology is there, as is our way of discipline. Our group will have the right to elect our bishops. We asked the CDF for elec­tion by council. They laughed at us at first, but we got it. We are also working with a commission with Forward in Faith to produce our lit­urgy. We signed the Catechism as ‘the most complete and authentic expres­sion and application of the Catholic faith in this moment of time’.

“We did that to put our commit­ment beyond dispute, but we did not have to agree to Apostolicae Curae [which declares Anglican orders ab­solutely null and utterly void], be­cause that is not in the Cate­chism.”
 


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